Wood burners

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squiffy

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Well, I've been thinking of putting a woodburner into my new bungalow for 5 months now, today I started the process of ordering the bits and pieces, wow! I knew there was going to be hang ups but after talking to a very helpful lady at Saltfire she made me aware that if I did not have it installed by a Hetas engineer that my house insurance would be void in the event of a fire(caused by any reason), I have to say here that she was not trying to get me to use one of their engineers to install it, however this made me do a major internet trawl to see if she was giving me ligit info and yes she was, over many hits there are many many situations where people have been told by their insurance that either a council certificate of building regulation or a Hetas certificate is required. Goddamit at the moment I have a cast iron basket of 70cm in width that is capable of burning about ten large sized logs at once in a fire place 88cm wide and 89 cm high at any time massive sparks could jump out if I did not have a fire guard in place and burn the bungalow down, not to mention that carbon monoxide due to the open aspect could strike at any time. God help us that the money machine is in full flow as far as wood burners are concerned.Phil.

I sometimes feel that I was born in the wrong era. It seems to me that the laws of Darwin
Should be allowed to exsist. People who are stupid enough to not use logic and common sense have no right to survive, it seems to me that we are on a path in retorgrade.
 
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Darcar

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Haha couldn't agree more....
The human race has simply stopped evolving!

But on a serious note, if you're Chimley is in good Nic then fitting a wood burner is quite easy. If it's not you will need to fit a s/s liner, which can be a bit tricky..
Darren..
 
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Phil, you like me are totally peeeeeeeeeeed off with the system!

When it comes to wood burners and multi fuel stoves I have installed 7 of them myself over the years including on 4 of them dropping a flue liner down from the pot on the roof, but despite my experience, no, I now have to pay for a HETAS registered installer to undertake the work, which in my case will also have to include scaffolding being put up. So in my case the total installation costs will come to quite a bit over £1,000 added to which is of course the cost of the blessed stove!

I have also installed propane gas powered hobs and ranges in former properties and yet again at this one, our choice of hob/oven was gas, the downside being that there is no gas in the village and yet again because of the bloody EU directed regulations, I had to employ a specialist to undertake the installation................ oh and why oh bloody why do I have to have 2 cylinders.............. well of course it is because the regulations state that there have to be 2 !!!

They are the same regulations in France, but you know what, no one can give two blessed hoots about them!! (well from my experience they don't)

But back to the wood burner, if I hadn't already bought one, I would have definitely not bothered and carried on with the open fires, fire risks included!!

Mad, bloody mad!!

TTFN
Phil
 
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Haha couldn't agree more....
if you're Chimley is in good Nic then fitting a wood burner is quite easy. If it's not you will need to fit a s/s liner, which can be a bit tricky..
Darren..
Sorry Darren, but to comply with the regulations, your stove must be fitted to the correct sized liner to comply with the regulations.
I know this because I challenged the people who installed the stove at my last house in Wales. But despite the fact that they agreed the existing chimney was in exceptionally good condition, it was of far too large a diameter to satisfy the draw demands of the new stove, so they had to drop in the correct sized liner!
It is all bloody bonkers!!!
Phil
 
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squiffy

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Hi Darren,
I'm fully prepared to install it to the regulations as stand at present, I have no problem with that, steel liner is probably a good idea, as I'm going to install a burner of greater than 5kw I'm even going to drill a vent through my lounge wall, all two feet of it( even though I dont deem it necessary).
What really gets me upset is I have to pay out to get either planning cert from council (Apparently about £125) or a HETAS cert at God knows how much. Obviously this is cheaper than getting a company in to do the work but its really getting right up my nose.

As with you Phil I usually do all my own gas and water plumbing and electrical, but with all this red tape coming in it makes it more and more difficult, I have three flats that I rent out use to have five but sold two of them 10years ago, always did my own repairs and installs but now a days its not acceptable and costs a small fortune to have so called "professionals" do the work and my god some of the repairs I've had done over the past few years my young 12 year old grandson could have done as good a job.
Well I've had my rant now I will have to go back on line and order the burner and associated parts:) Phil
 

mistericeman

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Whilst I fully understand the groanings of folks that have been doing this and that for years....

Try to think what happens when someone that 'thinks' they know what they are doing does it wrong....
 
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With all this in mind it makes you wonder how insurance companies regard woodburners in motorhomes, with the square area in a van of modest size the ventilation would have to be the sliding door being open going by official rules and regs for kw per room size.
It surely can not be long before self builders of motorhomes will not be able to install LPG/240v or even 12volt systems, after all even 12volts shorted out from a 12volt 110ah battery is equivalent to arc welding and could start a fire just as easily as gas or 240volt faults where does this nanny state of affairs end??? How about insecure furniture due to someone not knowing what they are doing, very dangerous in a hard braking situation, could come loose and kill, maybe only professional carpenters and fitters only should be allowed to fit furniture in vans, as I said where does it stop, but, then I am very cynical.Philo_O.
 
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Good point Phil, but and I will give you three reasons: -
1. There are far more buildings that people live in than caravans or motorhomes and: -
2. The EU mandarins and committees who have in the past inflicted so many (highly questionable) rules and regulations on us [e.g. straight cucumbers] haven't delved down as far as our sector of industry yet.
3. Thank heavens with the 'Brexit' vote the bods in the UK will be too busy mucking about with enormous piles of paper that they won't have the time to think of us.

I don't think you are being cynical Phil for a single moment, you are thinking how so many others of us think, the whole World is over regulated and has gone plain bloody crazy!!

TTFN
Phil
 

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A family relation is in the local fire service and it is about this time of the year when the number of call outs to fires starts to increase dramatically - nearly all caused by self installed wood burners. The rules and regs applying to installation of wood burners is to try and stop diy installations by people who don't know what they are doing. Some people are so incompetent that they even put the chimney liners in upside down.
 
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Ok further to my quest on wood burners, here in Wales I phoned the local building regs officer and he told me I have to go to the regs office and fill in a request form to install a woodburner at my premises, I then pay the principle sum of £140 for the priviledge, then when its all installed the nice man from the regs department comes up and witnesses me lighting a smoke pellet in the burner, to make sure there is enough draft up the chimney and no leaks, then I have to set a few logs on fire so he can warm his hands, after this he will issue a building regs cert to say the install is safe ( nothing was mentioned about regulation fitting, just he had to be satified that the install was safe)
So this is the way I will go, but installing to the latest regulations anyway;)Phil.
 
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So this is the way I will go, but installing to the latest regulations anyway;)Phil.
Phil, does that mean you don't have to employ the services of a hyper expensive HETAS qualified installer?

If this is the way to go, then that would save me the cost of scaffolding and the £450 the HETAS bloke wants and my local friendly brickie who is more than willing to go up on my roof (a very high one) and wrestle the liner down the chimney etc.

I like this thread Phil, thanks for starting it.
Phil
 
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This is how the local council here in the Vale of Glamorgan do it Phil, I dont see how it would be different in England, phone your local planning and building regs department and say your concidering puting in a woodburner, the guy here initially started talking about HETAS engineer being required but when I told him I intended to install it myself he then told me the other way of doing it
I.e. that I would have to pay them the £140 quid and have them visit when it was installed to check it was safe

It maybe less money where you are as I found a blog on the net and they said it only cost them £125 at thier council.:) Phil.

And no you dont require the HETAS engineer or his cert, the council building regulater gives you the cert which is excepted by insurance and solicitors on sale of the house.

I've just found this Phil.

https://www.mybuilder.com/questions/v/5599/log-burner-installation-please-help
 
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Thanks Phil I am onto my local Council today!! What a star you are.
Many thanks
Phil
 
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I have just spoken to our local council, namely West Lindsey D.C. and their charge for undertaking this certification work is £178.08 which has to be money well spent............ And my friendly local brickie is jumping for joy now as he had no idea that he could legally carry out the installation of woodburners into the fireplaces he has built for so many people.

Yet again Phil, many thanks for the heads-up

All the very best
Phil
 

Roadrunner

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Twp points,first the room must have a vent to outside,second is that the gov are planning to outlaw them and some places this is now in force,not so in N Ireland as yet.
 
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