Dvla again......

fifthwheel

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I notice on Facebook most if not all van conversions are being refused this last few weeks at DVLA.
Not because they are bad attempts I think they have had another change of mind as to the outside appearance of the van
One man said he had a long polite conversation with a lady there and asked as she was turning this van down
If he built another what would he have to do to comply, she couldn't tell him. :)
 

BigStevie

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Is this to do with windows I wonder? I did hear that the DVLA wanted to clamp down on stealth conversions, I know they’re already refusing camper status to vans with big garages in the back (big garage = load carrying capability).

My last VW transporter conversion had a single burner cooker which they were happy to accept (rules state 2 burner minimum) as the van was clearly fully converted to a camper. I do believe that a small amount of flexibility exists with the person who is processing the application.

Ultimately, the vehicle needs to look like what your applying for it to be be. If it looks like a camper, a camper it will be!

I’d be interested to see how others get on with their applications to the DVLA.

Stevie
 

Gary Wrench

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I’ve just sent mine off before I came away, really needs some motorhome type stickers but it’s clearly a camper, windows all round , noted all the motorhome stuff with all pictures such as loo access point, hook up, water tank fill and both waste points, solar panels and rooflights etc, as with my last one I said it was nearly finished and just needed the ‘motorhome graphics’ applying and side step fitting... let’s see what happens.
 

activecampers

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I’ve just sent mine off before I came away, really needs some motorhome type stickers but it’s clearly a camper, windows all round , noted all the motorhome stuff with all pictures such as loo access point, hook up, water tank fill and both waste points, solar panels and rooflights etc, as with my last one I said it was nearly finished and just needed the ‘motorhome graphics’ applying and side step fitting... let’s see what happens.
Will be a van with windows.
Nothing has got through as campervan since June.
Rules and requirements are changing.....
Problem is, they should've published them before saying "as from" - but they didn't
Talk is they may change existing vans retrospectively....

Massive chatter on other self build forums/facebook
 

BigStevie

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Hmmm... just spoke to a traffic cop about this. He told me he was unsure what the results of the latest DVLA shenanigans will be. But, he added that the intention was to have rules in place to make Motorhomes identifiable. As I mentioned earlier in this thread, I think this is all about stealth vans and motorhomes with load carrying capacity, ie garages.. He suggested putting stickers on the vehicle saying “Motorhome”..... sounds obvious, but sometimes the obvious isn’t, well, obvious.

It’ll be interesting to see how all this ends up. If anyone gets any feedback at all from the dvla, I hope they’ll post it!

Confused Stevie
 

activecampers

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Hmmm... just spoke to a traffic cop about this. He told me he was unsure what the results of the latest DVLA shenanigans will be. But, he added that the intention was to have rules in place to make Motorhomes identifiable. As I mentioned earlier in this thread, I think this is all about stealth vans and motorhomes with load carrying capacity, ie garages.. He suggested putting stickers on the vehicle saying “Motorhome”..... sounds obvious, but sometimes the obvious isn’t, well, obvious.

It’ll be interesting to see how all this ends up. If anyone gets any feedback at all from the dvla, I hope they’ll post it!

Confused Stevie
That's been done!
Stickers, bike racks, awnings, pop-top etc - all rejected since May

The *rumour* is only campervans at first registration (e.g. pro builds) will be permitted as motorcaravans - and self builds will no longer be reclassified. Not sure what the bigger picture is, tax, speed, or whatever.

On facebook there are 100s of posts, with vans that look pro build (even one pro builder, ltd company etc) whose vans look pro, is now getting rejected as his vans aren't on new vehicles......

No one really knows.....

Garages are also grey area - even carrying pushbikes can be classed as "day van" now, different class, but only "new pros" get away with it. Its two sets of rules.
 

Coire

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This is quite worrying, especially the idea that they may retrospectively declassify. However knowing the enormous amount of work involved and how disorganised dvla can be with paperwork I doubt they have the capacity or manpower to do this. It would cause big problems with insurance for thousands of people and cause a major backlash.

The thing that I don't understand is that the DVLA themselves state that reclassification is a legal requirement once certain modifications have been done. How then can they refuse?

If I have only one window and a short bed and one gas burner does this mean I no longer have to reclassify? I doubt insurance companies would agree and bet they would still insist on changing body type to motorcaravan.

The whole thing, including lower speed limits for vans, is a massive outdated archaic mess and needs some common sense applied.
 

BigStevie

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The thing that I don't understand is that the DVLA themselves state that reclassification is a legal requirement once certain modifications have been done. How then can they refuse
Ha! This is the dvla we’re talking about here, a law unto themselves. A pal sent his license in for renewal, it came back minus his bike classification. They made him retest, although he had copies of his old license.....
 

Gary Wrench

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Ha! This is the dvla we’re talking about here, a law unto themselves. A pal sent his license in for renewal, it came back minus his bike classification. They made him retest, although he had copies of his old license.....
Bike licence going missing is a common one , seems if you took your bike licence before the theory tests came into force it’s removed at renewal... nightmare given the cost and mither of redoing bike test.
 

activecampers

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Bike licence going missing is a common one , seems if you took your bike licence before the theory tests came into force it’s removed at renewal... nightmare given the cost and mither of redoing bike test.
Really? My photocard is due for renewal "soon" and I'd hate to have to re-do bike test (as I don't currently have a bike and haven't for a fair few years but still don't want to lose it!
 

Gary Wrench

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Really? My photocard is due for renewal "soon" and I'd hate to have to re-do bike test (as I don't currently have a bike and haven't for a fair few years but still don't want to lose it!
I’m on a few bike forums and this seems to be the case but not necessarily the same all the time (typical DVLA!) BUT those that have lost their bike entitlement have never done a bike theory test, some get away with it fine, but all those questioned that have lost it have never done the theory test. There have been some riders who have gone to do a bike theory test in the hope that they will renew their licence easier. Wether it’s an automatic computer renewal which doesn’t see a bike theory test in its records so deletes it, or just that it pops up as an error without the theory test and isn’t corrected manually nobody knows. I only did my test 2 years ago so I did theory but licence near renewal time .. next year I think.
 

Wissel

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Had my bike licence removed by DVLA a few years ago. My test was pre-theory (I think- around year 2000).

Nothing I could do about it.
 

BigStevie

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Bit worrying, I passed my bike test back in the seventies, would hate to lose it as my mate has just lent me a Bonneville on sort of permanent loan... my licence needs renewing in 2021.
 

Chris Shaw

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This may be something to do with the new VED tax changes:


These changes maybe to clamp down on DIY conversions to get around the new VED rules??
 
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